Talk:8A Geometry - Perceived exposure to semantic concept network

Hi - what's the origin of this idea? I don't mean the origin of the experience, but the way it's being described here. The references are largely unhelpful. This whole concept honestly just seems like it's a part of someone's pet thesis project in a cognitive psychology lab - which could be cool, but I think the page misleadingly presents this information as if it's entered into the conceptual vocabulary of cognitive scientists or psychedelic users, and I have not found any evidence that it's in use by either, aside from a few forum posts. If it has, my mistake. P.S. I have no idea how to properly edit discussion pages ... thanks. - Max

The level 8 concept is an original concept by the PsychonautWiki. The original idea of the concept was to grasp a concept that's impossible to capture using literature. I added a note to either of the concepts (8A, 8B) clarifying our position on them. --Kenan (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey max, as Kenan already stated, level 8A and 8B are original concepts written by me with contributions from other psychonautwiki community members. The purpose of the subjective effect index is to document all possible states within the hallucinogenic experience that can potentially occur. As this type of project has not yet been done before to such a comprehensive extent, many subjective effect component descriptions are not found anywhere else within the scientific literature. We have to start somewhere, so these articles are the first existing attempts at documenting the occurrence of these states.

Myself and others have personally experienced 8A and 8B many many times on a wide variety of different compounds, these personal experiences are what the description is based upon. In response to your questions, Kenan has now added some helpful banners within the article to clarify this and avoid further confusion. Thank you for your message. Josikins (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2018 (UTC)